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Match Thread – Spurs Looking For 3 From 3 To End On A High With Villa Up Next

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With plenty of positives to take from our victory, and the performance, over Wolverhampton Wanderers at the weekend, it’s another quick turnaround for Tottenham Hotspur as we welcome Aston Villa to White Hart Lane on Wednesday for our penultimate Premier League clash of the 2020/21 campaign.

A campaign that started brightly, and faded rapidly as 2021 hit, however, a potential top five finish is on the cards but for that to happen, we have to absolutely take three points from Dean Smith’s side and form is on our side, even though both clubs have wobbled in the second half of the season.

Another big plus is Villa should be without Jack Grealish (cheers Levy), as since returning from injury he’s yet to even play 45 minutes, so hopefully at worst, he’ll only get introduced at the break.

With some confidence returning based on our last performance, you’d like to think we’d be comfortable long before their talisman hits the pitch, and with no fresh injury concerns, only Serge Aurier and Ben Davies should be missing again.

Can Ryan Mason really restore some momentum and get us three wins from three going into the summer?

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  • Hot Tottingham says:

    Hi DoncasterHotspur and cheers…

    I do disagree though. I don’t think it has cost the team as far as spending on it is concerned. We did then (pre-Pandemic) buy Ndombele for a THFC record fee. And then mid-Pandemic loaned Bale no less, paying him more than nearly all other PL stars, whilst not even it being half of what Real still pay him… In other words, he still earns more from Spurs, than Kane does…

    Anyway… that was one big rant from me!

    I like to moan about other people… moaning… 😉

    And after all that. I’m still looking forward to a bit o football tonight that hopefully follows on from what we saw versus Wolves. But with more goals… But please, not more of what we saw against Leeds.

    Up the Spurs!

  • DoncasterHotspur says:

    HT – it was a quality rant I must admit and this is what this site is for. You are right, we did buy N’dombele for a club record fee and I for one was really excited having seen some of his performances for Lyon in the Champions League. What a let down that has been.
    Interesting game tonight – it may be more interesting what is happening off the pitch – anti-Levy chants, protests – “Harry Kane we want you to stay” chants. He better not score a hattrick, then he will be obliged to do a post match interview. How interesting would that be.
    After considered thought and detailed analysis!! I have decided that I want Graham Potter as our new manager – I think he is a real talent who could do great things at Spurs. Will he want to leave 15th place Brighton though to come to the mad house at Spurs. I am not sure.
    Rant over for now, back to life as an accountant, I think I’ll analyse the THFC accounts once more just to confirm how much of the profits generated from the Poch era (mostly whilst at the old stadium) was re-invested in the team and how much went on the stadium. COYS

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    block….if Levy believed he knew everything about the playing side of the business he wouldn’t need to employ people like Steve Hitchen. I accept that the buck ultimately stops with him but no-one here ever aims criticism directly at those responsible for the scouting and recruitment of players which, we have to say, has been very poor when compared to clubs like Leicester and, dare I say, West Ham.

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    Results didn’t go our way last night so the best we can hope for is that Burnley beat Liverpool and WBA beat Wet Spam tonight while we win over Villa. It’s looking likely Leicester will finish 5th which raises the question….do they qualify for EL by way of their FA cup win and if so does that provide an additional place from the league?

  • Hot Tottingham says:

    Hi TQ… You do know that we can still finish in 4th?! 🙂

    I’m sure you do………

  • Hot Tottingham says:

    Oh shit! No we can’t! Not after last nights results…. My mistake!

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    Yes it’s a shame HT, I think realistically Liverpool will get 4th as they have gone on a good run just at the right time, Leicester will likely get 5th but we can still make 6th but need to better Wet Spam’s results despite them having the easier games on paper. If ‘pool win at Burnley tonight Leicester will want to win on Sunday to keep their hopes of finishing 4th alive in case ‘pool slip up at home to Palace.

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    * That should be equal or better Wet Spam’s results.

  • Niall D says:

    Fek me this is like a maths exam, I just hope we win and let the others lose then see where we end up.
    HT re the stadium, from me it’s not a moan as such, it was an observation that at that time, the team were, I think, ready to take the league, but the move to Wembley scuppered our first couple of games and the lack of getting players in at that time.
    I have said that in the future the plans for the stadium may come to fruition, however if we are a poor team to watch and throw out terrible performances and results, regardless of the size of the stadium, what youngster will start to support us as a team, if we’re dross and mid table.

  • Geofspurs says:

    HT …. That was a timely rant! Couldn’t agree more. THFC is well set up for the future. We have come so close to touching glory in recent years that our failure to do so brings disappointment and frustration. Much of it is dissolved by the therapeutic pages of VS, as TK points out.

    But that’s the past. It looks like a top five or (more probably) six will be our destiny in this Covid affected season. Every May supporters say the same thing …. ‘next season will be interesting.’ And it will be.

    But whatever way you look at it …. gotta love football!

    • TQ2Spurs says:

      Hi Geof, you must have been disappointed with the result on Sunday but will no doubt appreciate the performance from Barcelona.

      • Geofspurs says:

        Hi TQ …. Yes, I was disappointed. But it’s okay …. I’m used to disappointment this season! : – )

        How unlucky was it to concede so early and in such a way and then give away a penalty soon after! They eventually settled and were much better in the second half. Memories of our own CL Final! I expect they will still get the treble and imagine they will go after everything again next season.

        Barca are certainly another team that raises the profile of women’s football.

        I wonder what additions Spurs will make to the WSL squad? They know what they need now, and what they have to do to compete with the top clubs.

        • TQ2Spurs says:

          Hi Geof, yes there was a discussion on one of the footie programs here and one of the pundits said that if anyone doubted the quality and entertainment value of women’s football they surely wouldn’t have any after watching the CL final.

          I think Spurs are surely aware of where we need better quality in the squad for next season, I’m hoping we will recruit well to give us the ability to progress and get a bit nearer to the big 3/4.

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    Sad news about young Eze at Palace, seems he has sustained a serious achilles injury in training which could mean him missing the rest of 2021. That is going to make Liverpool’s task a little easier on Sunday however, Palace might be looking to give Woy a big send off!

  • TK says:

    HT,

    I would like to complain about the extreme negativity being expressed in your complaints about my negativity in complaining about the negative effects of the new stadium in this season of negative results. It’s all so so negative. Negativity about negativity is the worst kind of negativity because it’s multiply negative. And piling negatives on top of negatives is bloody confusing since one loses track about who’s the one being negative. So, please do not go negative in complaining about negativity, which is what one must do in order to complain about negativity. Do you really think that a negative negative is totally positive. All that cognitive processing over what negative is cancelling out what other negative. The season already has piled high too many negatives? What are you adding to it?

    Fortunately, as we learned when we were wee ones in the wee years of going to school (talk about a negative experience), two negatives make a positive, but now we have so many negatives piled on top of one another that I’m uncertain whether we end up more negative or more not negative and thus more positively negative, or possibly more negatively positive. I cannot at this moment be positive about whether any of us, in the end, is being positive or merely slightly more or less negatively negative. Help me, please, by being positively positive in your complaints, although, but semantic definitions, this may not be positive (or it that being not negatively negative about negativity?)

    As for me, my complaint is not that we have a new stadium. It looks positively not negative, although this starts confusing me. It does really irk me into spasms of multiple negativity that it has an NFL field under our beautiful football pitch for all of the eternity of the beauty of the not negative stadium. I’m not necessarily negative about the pitch, but I’m not not not negative about pandering to the NFL–or is that one negativity to many to cancel out the positivity?

    Please give me an NFL franchise in London that plays at the only permanent NFL field not only in London, but in not not Europe, if it’s not being negative to point out that the UK is positively no long Europe and soon may not not be the UK either.

    Just leave the team called the Partriots out of it. They shoot muskets after touchdowns (kind of like goals that lead to six points and maybe not not an extra point) to celebrate their negative distain for anything British wearing red coats. I guess they hate door men at major hotels. That’s not only something I don’t necessarily dislike sufficiently, but it’s negativity for negativity’s sake. A kind not not positivity, as one might put it. “One if by land and two if by sea” as the anti redcoat poem put it, its’s not not nothing to me to see or to be. To be or not not not to be, that could be the question, if I could keep track of all the permutations of existential questions about not being.

    leave it off, HT. If we cannot express ambivalent negativity here, where can we go for therapy? This is my only hope, or perhaps it isn’t?

  • wentworth says:

    Levy has been listening with an anti-Moaninho statement to fans. He is looking for a modern coach who will encourage and promote “free-flowing, attacking and entertaining” football. I wonder why he panicked and appointed Jose when Poch was providing that style. Poch needed the squad to be updated…not with bargain bin buys but top quality, exciting performers.
    The next few days ( will we sneak 5th…very touch and go. Several teams could pinch it off us. W need to win both games.) and the forthcoming weeks will define our future. We have not been out of Europe for 14 years. We have made some poor signings. We have at least 6 players that should be off our books by the end of August. We have few youngsters that look like top players of the future.
    The new coach will need to have a strong influence on all matters dealing with the club. Is there anyone out there?

  • TK says:

    If our men’s team cannot not lose, then perhaps we can have a women’s team that cannot not not lose. After all, losers are only winners who fail to win, and winners are only losers who fail to lose.

  • TK says:

    Maybe you’re right, HT. To be not negative is not only not negative, but is, in some convoluted way, it’s own obscure way, asymptotically approaching being positively not only positive but positively not negative. You’ve won me over, I think.

    Oh, and I suspect that the financing of the stadium–far more being spent than was advertised in advance–is apt to make it more difficult to rebuild the on-pitch performance. All this to cozy up to American football in London. Wonder it that underlying part of the stadium really will lead to multiple NFL matches on an enduring way.

  • OyvehMaria says:

    My Email to Daniel Levy Daniel.Levy@TottenhamHotspur.com cc’d info@THSTOfficial.com

    “Good Morning Mr Levy

    For 20 years under ENIC ownership we supporters have been told by you that financial prudence comes first before players salaries and transfers and that is why our most expensive player purchase ever was £52m !

    Now Tottenham’s gross debt totals; £831million, with £140million owed in transfer debt, £96 million in tax debt, £9 million in trade creditors and £102 million in other creditors equalling the total of £1.177bn.

    I write to ask what is the future of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club? Will the Naming Rights and selling Harry Kane be part of your liquidity plan? Are you going to restructure the loans the club currently has ? Where does that leave our buying power as a club with regard to buying new players to rejuvinate the squad? Is it your intention to sell players to raise the funds to buy new players and only that revenue will be used or are you intending to wait until you appoint a new Manager before deciding the fate of the squad! Will you be providing the new manager with a transfer fund, if yes, how much will that be? Joe Lewis owns the Tavistock Group, with more than 200 assets across 13 countries and is personally worth $5bn. Is Joe Lewis going to make a contribution toward the future success of THFC Ltd to help provide the club with the players that will bring Trophies to Spurs or is it your plan to continue to keep a salary cap and place limits on transfer fees?

    So far your financial prudence and player purchases has yeilded 1 Trophy during your 20 years of ownership but you have also managed to employ 10 Managers, an average of 1 manager every two years! Please note that, from 2014 to 2019

    Mauricio Pochettino as manager, Spurs were involved in probably the most “successful” period of ENIC’s tenure as owners of THFC Ltd.

    Are we, as Supporters, destined to watch our Club over the next 10 years to be the Premierships most succesful failures as we have been for the last 10 years? :

    2009 – LC final
    2010 – FA Cup SF
    2012 – FA Cup SF
    2015 – LC final
    2016 – Title race
    2017 – Title race
    2017 – FA Cup SF
    2018 – FA Cup SF
    2019 – LC SF
    2019 – CL final
    2021 – LC final

    Was it your intention for THFC to be part of the ESL driven by a financial decision or a footballing one? Why was the fan base, through organisations like the THFC Trust, not consulted prior to this decision?

    As you can see I have copied in the THFC Trust because fans like me would like some answers, when do you plan to give us your answers?” …………

    I leave it to members of the VS Audience to write their own mesage to Mr Levy and copy in the THFC Trust, if you wish, who are still refusing to meet with the THFC Board . Here is the link to the THFC Trust’s view on the way THFC is being run: https://www.thstofficial.com/thst-news/the-trust-and-the-club-your-questions-answered

  • Hot Tottingham says:

    TK!
    What can I say to all that?!

    Hey, calling all Spurs fans…
    You know I love you, don’t you?

    let’s sing a song…
    All together now…

    Glory, Glory Tottenham Hotspurs
    Glory, glory ….

    You know the rest…

  • Niall D says:

    Ahhh TK good ol Longfellow, “and I on the opposite shore will be ready to rise and send the alarm….

  • Hot Tottingham says:

    Hi niall.

    My morning rant wasn’t personal to anyone on here. Just general.

    I did use the word “we” when referring to our (Spurs supporter) moans and not you lot! 🙂

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    What time are we expecting nurse Ratched? :- )

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