Date: 16th August 2018 at 7:00am
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I wasn’t sure if anything had happened in the world of Tottenham Hotspur yesterday as all I could find on my newsfeed was story after story relating to ongoing work at White Hart Lane.

They did have a subtle twist though, the Manchester City game had taken on new significance and all the stories were angled towards ‘we have no stadium to play in unless WHL gets its safety certificates in time’.

Novel approach granted, and football.london were one of many to cover the possible developments.

In short, Wembley is already booked up to host the Philadephia Eagles v Jacksonville Jaguars overseas NFL match so hosting the game there is out of the equation. The Sun punted we could play at Twickenham and then as if by magic, that suggestion was refuted with claims the RFU would not consider any approach following their earlier quote that football wasn’t on their ‘radar’.

Claims of the Millenium Stadium have featured, but that would be an interesting trip for a home game.

Talk of the Premier League breaking its own rules has obviously featured, as has switching the game to the Etihad Stadium and reversing the fixtures, but apparently, that wouldn’t protect the integrity of the league.

The most likely outcome is the game will be postponed and the Premier League will have to accept that if they want shiny new stadiums, these things are going to happen, or alternatively it will go ‘behind closed doors’ for a TV audience or only part of the ground will be open.

Of course, though, it has allowed some sections of the media to get on their soapbox and issue rallying calls behind clever headlines to point out how ‘amateurish’ we are and how we’ve come ‘crashing back to earth’ after recent improvements.

It’s also given fresh life to the fact we didn’t sign anybody in the summer window since football began, or something or other.

But it is getting a little bit boring now.

A fix and a workaround will be found that much is obvious – it’s impossible for it not to. So until we find out what that is, why worry?

 

38 Replies to “NFL Complication & Twickenham’s A No Go – Let’s Have A Round Of Meltdown For Manchester City”

  • original fixture from Fa was 27th before tv reschedule, can’t it revert to Saturday or progress to the Monday night ?

  • Danny – it does beg the question though. Levy fan boys have defended him forever, not due to the immense trophy haul he has brought to the club, but due to the ambition he showed in improving our infrastructures.

    Now even those projects are not going as smoothly as planned, and while a solution will of course be found, it invites negative press for the club.

    If even his “crown jewel” projects aren’t going that well (the stadium is late, over budget) and there is serious discontent among fans regarding the timing of the communication (ie after they have just spent fortunes on season tickets), can anyone really tell me why Levy is the highest paid chairman in the PL?

    Being the highest paid implies he’s better than the others. I’m not saying delays are unreasonable given the magnitude of the stadium project, but essentially, he is doing no better and no worse than other clubs that have undertaken similar projects.

    If he’s not performing better in our infrastructure projects, and I don’t think anyone can contend that we are doing better than the rest on the pitch, why does he feel his salary is justified?

  • BS, Levy is not to blame .. the contractor Mace is … Levy would not of given a September date if he was not 100% sure, there have been issues beyond the control of THFC … personally, I don’t see Spurs playing here until next season feb the earliest .,, Mace will be footing the bill for this

  • There are many trying to do their best to make light of this situation , claiming it’s only the odd game in the grand scale of things…

    The grand scale of things is that this farce is costing astronomical sums for the club, externally it’s making us look like a circus, it doesn’t just look like weeks of delays it looks like it will be nearer 2019.

    This overall billion pound project if the figures touted are correct will bring in a whopping 28mil extra a year which doesn’t even buy an average player in today’s market.
    The NFL deal contributed 10mil to this build , Wembley with 30k more seats reports 500k – 1mil profit per NFL game.
    We agreed a 20match deal with them (19 now because of the 1st postponement to Wembley) so even a best case scenario the numbers add up to 29mil invested over 10 years, the cost of the retractable pitch alone is most probably more.

    This whole plan heavily relies on a super sponsorship/naming rights deal to make any sort of sense at all , but who wants to be linked with a club that doesn’t win anything, doesn’t make big moves in the transfer windows and doesn’t even have a proper opening date???

    Couple that with the 550mil odd debt , and shelling out for different part time venues and this is a hell of a lot more than a minor set back.

  • E17yid – ultimately, the buck stops with Levy.

    That’s management 101. If someone in your team makes a mistake, ultimately it’s your responsibility. That just comes with the job.

    It’s a bit easy to just blame it on the contractor.

  • I get the impression nobody commenting has been involved with major construction projects. The completion date is rarely met in my experience, unless we are talking about offshore projects where you have a few weeks of a weather window to tow the rig out and you’ll be delayed a year if you miss it. Then you throw ridiculous amounts of money at it and the budget goes out the window. I’m not sure what “similar projects” BelgianSpur is talking about. The nearest would be Arsenal but that was a more conventional stadium and hence simpler to build. As always, like everything we’ve done for the last few years, this is all apparently going to end in disaster. As always it won’t. If all the comments over the years by BelgianSpur and Frank had been close to accurate we’d be in division 2 by now but I expect they’ll just keep making them. Two things to point out. One is the rules on matches talk about “best efforts” to get games played so the onus is really on the football authorities to agree something practical. The second is the contract to build the stadium contains a penalty clause so at least some of the pain will be felt by the contractor.

  • Some well written opinions on here, all well thought out, but because of the silence coming out of Spurs, who is right and who is wrong, personally I do not know. COYS

  • As always, if we were to believe jod’s comments over the years about how good of shape we are in, we’d have won many trophies by now.

    I find it ironic that now, people are pointing to the complexity of the build as an excuse. Was this complexity not taken into consideration when the initial planning was made?

    I work in IT, and let’s just say that if our projects were as frequently late as seems to be the norm in construction, we’d be out of business. While I have no experience in construction, I have lots in project management and this is poor, by those standards.

  • BelgianSpur – When I worked for a living big IT projects were actually more problematic than construction projects. So if you are doing as well as you say you are then well done. The fact is the construction industry works the way it does (ie badly) and you either accept that or you don’t build whatever it is you want to build. You usually don’t talk about us being in stasis, you talk about us going backwards, hence we should have fallen out of the premier league by now.

  • BS, I completely agree the buck does stop at Levy, ultimately he was/is responsible… however, he would not of sold season tickets for this season if he was not genuinely advised that the stadium would be ready of sorts for games to be played … Arsenal really cannot be compared … 1, the land they acquired was vacant from the stadium and demolished after purchase 2, Highbury was in use until they moved out … if Spurs has of had the space and they could of built without hinderence to the Old WHL … now look, frank and BS would have us in D2… JoD would have us winning the CL … I will stick with PY, and HT and some block called Geoffspurs and be happy where we are ..

  • E17yid – One thing about construction is the contractor will always tell the client whatever he thinks he wants to hear. End dates are just a way to get the contract. As we speak the contractor’s lawyers will be going over the contract to see if they can find a way to invalidate the penalty clause. As you say it was a lot easier for Arsenal, as it would have been for us had we got the Olympic stadium. Then we’d have demolished the old stadium and built a new one all the while playing at White Hart Lane. But politics cost us and has cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions.

  • BS … In your ‘IT’work, do you work outside and are affected by weather conditions. Are you at the mercy of contractors who provide your work materials to the same degree and with the same time-frames as the Stadium complex. Do you personally overseer 3000 workers each day and take the blame for every mistake they make? Just wondering.

  • In construction, have a look at how many projects over run, add more dosh to the build blah blah, it always starts at the bottom, one subbie cocks up then it rolls on to the next and so on, all the mains play the you signed a contract hand, even if you prove to them something is wrong, they never listen, you carry on as contracted then hey presto your proven right and its start again, this goes on right through the industry, the buck stopping with the main, but to cover blushes they will always tell the client what they want to hear, as has already been said.

    The delay for this build of NWHL is down to one company….Mace, simple. COYS

  • The it (sic) man surely must remember Fujitsu and the catastorphic NHS project??
    Let em all have their little bit of fun and we will have the last laugh for sure when their animosity will rebound on them on their teams future visits to the The Lane.
    Most of the so called big club fans are sick with worry about Spurs, the elephant in all their rooms!

  • “You usually don’t talk about us being in stasis, you talk about us going backwards, hence we should have fallen out of the premier league by now.”

    I’m on record on multiple occasions to say that we are just happy to remain in a status quo. Never have I once said we were at risk of being relegated.

    It’s the old cliché of “if you’re not going forward, your going backwards”.

    However, you talk about us progressing and moving forward all the time. When is this progress going to translate into titles, then?

  • E17yid “however, he would not of sold season tickets for this season if he was not genuinely advised that the stadium would be ready of sorts for games to be played”

    Well that’s preicsely where some fans disagree. Read this article (http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/tottenham-hotspur/367/blog/post/3596769/tottenham-stadium-delays-show-fans-are-being-treated-as-cash-cows) and as you will see, some fans are convinced precisely of the opposite, ie Levy has known for months that the project would be late, yet lacked transparency as to not hinder the sales of season tickets.

  • Geof – what it comes down to is building a bit of leeway into your planning for unexpected things. If you don’t think unexpected things happen in IT projects, you are sorely mistaken.

    Some IT projects have thousands of people working on them, often in remote locations all over the world, with different time zones. Having all of the people in one place is a luxury.

    And the critical nature of the IT projects we do (think planning the supply/demand of high voltage electricity across 42 European countries in real time, as to avoid blackouts or network surcharges, to make sure that millions of people across Europe have access to electricity) far outweighs building a venue that will primarily be used for entertainment purposes, I’d like to think.

    To think that complexity is a concept reserved for construction is vastly underestimating all other domains.

    I’m not saying that building a stadium is easy. I’m just saying that every year, plenty of people complete strategic projects of all kinds, with sometimes high degrees of complexity, on time. It shouldn’t be a given that because a project is complex, it automatically has to be late. Certainly not when there is no hard deadline and the club can dictate the planning as they so wish.

    It was the club’s decision to hold the “test events” so late in the process, and so close to the go-live date. If anything goes wrong (as it did), there is no time to turn around and fix it. From the get-go, the club could have decided to go live in January and given itself more breathing room. It didn’t, and now has to accept blame for not doing so.

  • If Levy had gone to the premier league in June when the fixtures came out and said that the stadium would not be ready until at least November then the premier league would have told us we had to play all our games at Wembley this season. they wouldn’t have allowed us half a season at wembley and half a season at the new stadium. The way he has done it allows us to play most of the home games at the new stadium. Anyone with half a brain could tell months ago that the stadium would not be ready anywhere near September. To suggest that this has only come to light this week is nonsense. Once again the fans are being treated like mugs by the owners as well as being ripped off by unacceptably high season ticket prices for which they were more than happy to take the money in April.

  • BS …. You didn’t answer my question but, no matter. Some construction work comes in early, some come in on time and some come in late…. for many reasons. Whatever our reasons are it’s certainly not Levy’s fault. I’ve been saying for a year how fast the build is going …. it seemed unbelievably fast. I wasn’t giving the credit to Levy, I was giving it to the construction company. Now that it’s delayed I’m not giving the blame to Levy, that goes to the builders, too. But it’s just a delay, a hiccup in time …. not the end of the world.

  • To put a simple stance on the issue. BS, imaging your car has defective wiring, you would expect the company to do a recall and fix it .. ok, so now look at it from a safety issues, a worker is wiring in electrics in the stadium .. then he notices it has a safety issue .. no issue he replaces said piece of wire, he moves on to the next section then he realises the same issue has arose, he informs the H&S on site, it is then established the whole wiring is defective and doesn’t comply to code. now, please tell me would you rather a couple of months delay or good forbid a major accident … I am using wiring as an example, supposed the steel is defective in particular areas and need replacing etc…

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