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Match Thread – Spurs Looking To Pacos Away de Ferreira To Move Out Of The Laughable Conference League

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Given the turmoil at Tottenham Hotspur over the summer, few expected us to open up the 2021/22 campaign with such a flourish as we left Pep Guardiola crying into his Grecian 2000 (or is it Grealish £100million?) with a thoroughly well deserved victory on Sunday.

In the absence of Harry ‘will he, won’t he’ Kane, players stepped up and performed admirably against the reigning title holders and the ever reliable Son Hueng-Min secured us the win ten minutes into the second half.

It was a confidence booster and as we go into Thursday’s laughable Europa Conference League clash with Pacos de Ferreira, few will be expecting any difficulties as long as we again perform how we did on Sunday.

We might even have Kane back as he’s been named in the squad by manager Nuno Espirito Santo.

Two wins from two would set us up nicely for Nuno’s first return to Molineux at the weekend and it would certainly raise spirits with ongoing transfer sagas.

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  • TK says:

    See what a fever in a hospital bed can do to a man? Beware of the false hopes of good health. Winning teaches us less than can adversity.

    Love minus zero = love, and losing is success in the end. Sorry, Zimmy. She knows there’s no success like failure, and that failure is success after all.

    Wash, rinse, repeat. It all comes out in the wash.

  • Hot Tottingham says:

    I wish you well TK… I didn’t know that you had been unwell…. Take good care. And my love goes out to you, from London and across the wild, wild ocean…

  • TK says:

    Talent pissed into the wind only to soil one’s own feet is tragedy. Tragedy that should not evoke a hint of comedy.

    Can Tanguy Ndombele harness the magic in his feet? Or is he doomed to looking backwards while he exits from Hades? The gods are not apt to be forgiving. It’s not in their nature. Don’t look back.

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    So Kane hasn’t travelled to Portugal after all, I just wish that City would stump up a sensible figure and get on with his transfer so we can move on and bring in our own targets. Really is getting tedious now.

  • BelgianSpur says:

    I was just going to post that TQ2Spurs.

    I agree, it seems Harry has made his mind up.

    Not that I am bothered that he won’t play tomorrow, as I don’t think we should be risking him in this sort of game anyways, if he were to stay. But it obviously implies that either he doesn’t want to play for THFC, or there is an admittance by the club that Man City are eventually going to meet our asking price soon.

    This needs to be resolved soon one way or another.

  • BelgianSpur says:

    On another topic, has anybody seen the video posted on Twitter by Pacos de Ferreira?

    I am all for a bit of banter, but I hope this provides whoever plays tomorrow with that extra little bit of motivation. And I hope the Spurs community manager has something up his/her sleeve if we beat them!

  • Hot Tottingham says:

    Reading the VS forum and elsewhere, Harry is getting a lot of stick. Even quite hateful and abusive, some of it. Accusing him of all kinds of wrongdoing and poor behaviour.

    I don’t think he and his brother have handled the situation very well at all. But I still wish him well. I can’t hate on a guy that has given so much to THFC. Even if it does all seem to be ending or at least continuing, in a rather sour fashion…

    But, when so much money is involved, it’s no wonder if there are complications. So much hinges on whether he stays or goes. And for all parties involved. And, it’s a damn shame how it is all panning out.

    But I really want Harry gone now. He can get his medals and we can all move on…

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    I agree with your sentiments HT but haven’t seen much hate and abuse directed at Kane but then I have been busy of late and haven’t had the time to trawl the press, any criticism I have seen has in the main been directed primarily at his agent brother and the rest of his advisors which seems fair.

    As you say we need to move on and be given sufficient time to do our own transfer business once his transfer is agreed and we know what we have to spend on the re-build. Reports suggest we have an agreement in place for Martinez should Kane’s transfer go ahead. Another report suggests that City are now showing an interest in Vlahovic as a younger alternative to Kane but that’s probably something made up to add spice to the situation. I guess they could buy him and offer him to us on a season long loan with purchase option as a sweetner for the Kane deal. :- )

  • TK says:

    Good bye Harry. If the marriage is over, let’s get on with the divorce. And the settlement. Time to find another lover.

    Don’t let the door bump you bum on the way out. Good luck. You could have been a god forever if you managed to lead us to some championships in N17. In Man City you’ll be just another lad who won some things for a rich bunch of oligarchs who oppress others.

    I said the same to Bale when he fled to unhappiness in Madrid. He got rich, he won a bunch of medals, and he remains unloved there. Indeed, RM did what they could to humiliate him. Citeh will show no loyalty to you, Harry. It’s a one-way street and hard to find a parking space.

    No hard feelings. Not many soft ones left either.

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    Latest gossip suggests City are preparing to up their bid by £23m from £127m to what is claimed to be our asking price of £150m.

    • BelgianSpur says:

      If that’s the case, then I would assume the transfer is imminent. It always seemed 150 was the magic number. I think it’s a fair price and it would allow us to buy quality players. If we reinvest wisely of course, which is never a given.

      From everything I have read and heard on Spurs boards, social media and podcasts, it’s that lots of Spurs fans think Kane handled it poorly (his brother Charlie specifically) but most would be willing to forgive and forget if the deal falls through. It seems plenty would be willing to move on if Harry scored a couple of important goals for us in his first few games back.

      It’s not so much that people blame him for wanting to leave for trophies (the commmon theme is that people recognise that with the club currently in the 3rd tier of European football, we’re not really matching Kane’s ambition at present) – it’s more that there was likely a more elegant way to do it.

      If Kane went to City, what would his legacy be? I was actually discussing this with a fellow Spurs fan last weekend, during the City game. It really depends on what City win with him in the team, I suppose. City have never won the CL and if Kane helped them win that, scoring a couple goals in the final, he’d become a City legend in his own right. Or if he beat Shearer’s PL record in a City shirt.

      We can all claim Bale isn’t loved in Madrid but his legacy is that he is currently the most successful British player ever, as far as European titles go. That may not mean much to all, but in the end if Bale values that over other things, it’s his career and his life. Who are we to judge, I suppose.

  • Niall D says:

    HT loved your “good day” analogy.
    Fekin happened to me on Friday 13th, was playing my first gig in almost 2 years, my mates, wife fell down stairs breaking her leg so he couldn’t make it, so it was “the fekin one River Band” then got into the car and the lights had failed so had to drive home in unlit roads 20 miles on side lights aarrrggghh.
    If a butterfly farts in the forest and all that.
    TK glad you’re back on your feet chum, breathe the air, smell the roses, listen to HT’s birds singing.
    However re your winning at all costs, I still feel that’s what Leicester did in winning the leage that year, what 17 or so penelties most given in a premiership season, now some of those were Dives, cheating if you like, mean while everyone is waxing lyrical on these minnows on top of the league.
    For me they were little more than cheats, who have taken that ethos forward in every campaign since.
    If you look at the Charity Shield, how’d they win that, it would be by a dodgy pen.
    But people forget how you won, be it pens or Fergie time, or penalties never given at old Trafford to the away team for ten seasons.
    Guess what, all they remember is who won.
    I don’t like it, I feel its dirty, but sometimes you gotta get into the gutter.
    Look at “Sonny’s dive” last season against Man U and the “Pundits enquiry and post mortem” for almost a week, Rashford did similar a few minutes before and to a degree set the stage, but funnily enough no stewards enquiry there, a week later Grealish went down like a ton of shit yet no enquiry.
    What’s playing fair?
    What’s cheating?
    What is sportsman ship?
    Re the athletics quote, there are those who have been banned from sports for taking performance enhancing drugs, and those who allegedly don’t.
    I remember having a sports analyst come to my place of work to speak to young men on the dangers of taking these performance substances, under the radar he more or less said that they’re all at it and just havnt got caught…
    So is cheating getting caught?
    Just caught up on the Kane thread, much like HT, I wish him well, his head is now turned and he should go now, I feel this is our best opportunity to get top dollar for HK 10, let him win his medals if he thinks he can elsewhere, Thankyou for the time with us good fortune.

  • wentworth says:

    Yep, Kane has to go sooner rather than later. I wish him well and hope he goes quickly without any hitches. It seems as though City have upped their offer. If so get it done. Also hope Aurier and a few others go so we can make some decent replacements. Our bench was an embarrassment on Sunday.

    Levy cannot be trusted to wait too close to the window closing. Otherwise, he will rush to make cheapy, panic buys which will get us nowhere. We need fresh faces to add to the three already signed. Hope to see them play some part tomorrow evening.

  • Frank says:

    The Kane issue wants sorting ASAP assuming of course there is an intent to reinvest the fee in alternative players. I can’t help comparing this situation to the Dimitar Berbatov fiasco when we sold him on dead line day and accepted a token “stiff” to make up our numbers, whilst banking the fee. That deal was a definitive Levy special, and I wouldn’t put a repeat beyond him.

  • Love totty says:

    I’m not normally a vindictive sort of person but heroes should not mess with my emotions. If I can be loyal to Spurs for free, H should have no problem for the money he’s on. I will not wish him well, quite the opposite. How many Hail Mary’s is that Niall?

  • Niall D says:

    2 Hail Mary’s and 3 Our Father’s and a Glory be. Get the beads out m8. 😉🙏
    You’re entitled to your I’ll will m8, not wishing him well isn’t the same as Slagging him off.

  • wentworth says:

    The Jose Mourinho era failed Harry Kane dismally. He stuck with us and played out of his skin but we descended from top 4 to nothingness. Who can blame him? I blame Levy and Mourinho. Levy for not backing Poch when we knew the squad needed refreshing. And Mourinho for bringing his big headedness and defensive,boring football to drag the whole club down whilst massaging his ego.
    Also Levy for appointing him and seeing through some poor transfers. Levy and Mourinho are the problems. Good luck to Harry Kane. The club has let you down. I will always applaud you when you return. You are in a mess but I somehow feel you need to break away from the stranglehold of Levy and his lack of ambition.
    Spurs will always survive. But can we ever return to the exciting Poch era of attacking football and superb, attractive football? We have such a long way to go.

    • BelgianSpur says:

      Given the state we were in even in MP’s last months, I think we were due for decline regardless of the manager. MP alluded to a long and painful rebuild, plenty of fans have poited to the lack of dept and quality in the squad, and we are only now starting to accept, and face these issues.

      I think the club has indeed let HK down to some extent, but mostly the fans. We had a couple seasons in the 2016-2018 years when we were only one or two players away, we didn’t make the investment then and w are now farther away.

      Under those conditions, I think it would have been tough for any manager. Somehow, JM probably only made a bad situation worse.

  • wentworth says:

    Apparently, these are some of the players we have shown an interest in. Personally I would take them all when Kane goes at the weekend and we offload the bench warmers that are surplus to requirements. £220 million plus should do the trick.

    Kurt Zouma, Patrick Bamford,Nahitan Nandez, Paul Torres( he does not want to come!),Dusan Vlahovic, James Ward Prowse and Adama Traore. What a line up.

  • TQ2Spurs says:

    WW…..I wouldn’t deal with the Chavs especially as taking Zouma off their hands would allow them to go for Kounde and I wouldn’t want to assist them in any way. As you say, Pau Torres wants CL which we can’t offer. Traore is a funny one, yes he is exciting to watch but he has no end product, his stats show he has 10 goals and 18 assists in 132 games, that’s about 2 goals and 4 assists per season, Kane does that but double the goals in one season!

  • Love totty says:

    Can I have a discount for being a prod, Niall 😂

  • Niall D says:

    50 % LT and only down on one knee.
    don’t subscribe to the religion crap much any way as you can guess with the shi+ it’s caused over here, only ever use it in joke. 😉🤣
    WW, that’s some line up of players when you look at it, but you forgot the Japanese guy Tomyishu (spelling) I think he’s nailed on as well.

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