Date: 26th October 2017 at 8:03am
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Poch said he was struggling to figure out how Tottenham squandered a two-goal lead in a 3-2 defeat against West Ham.

Early on, 2-0 up after well taken goals from Sissoko and Alli, we looked like we were cruising, and I worried that we`d taken our foot off the accelerator and already thinking we had won this.

Before we went ahead we looked exactly what we were; a team of players who looked like strangers to each other., passes were going astray and I felt it was only Son`s energy and guile that was showing as a threat to them, but we settled and llorente`s presence and little flicks started finding team mates.

But soon after the halftime break just as happened at their ground, they fought back and in fairness I thought they did it in style, we simply could not handle Andre Ayew as he grabbed a quick brace that made it two all. We then seemed in shock and it wasn`t long before Angelo Ogbonna headed the winner for the Spam, which seemed to me and those around me almost inevitable. We were stunned into silence, we then finally seemed to wake up again as Poch rang the changes.

But to no avail, we were in the end comprehensively beaten.

After the game Poch told Sky Sports :

‘We scored two goals and it looked like the game was over but the second half was completely different, in 15 minutes we conceded three goals.

‘When you are not on the same mental level, it’s difficult because you can concede one goal, the opponent has nothing to lose and they believe.

‘After Real Madrid and Liverpool, it is difficult to keep the motivation and the energy. It’s not good, it’s a bad feeling.’

If it really is that difficult, then they have failed to grasp what losing at home to West Ham can do to Spurs fans.

I`d venture to add that our defence and even our midfield simply switched off, and to me it looked like Foyth couldn`t handle their physicality when it mattered.

As apparently this wasn`t a target for Poch you`d have to say that he really didn`t seem too bothered about the loss, but maybe I`m being a tad harsh as I still feel bitterly disappointed this morning.


41 Replies to “Cruising, complacency and collapse.”

  • “they have failed to grasp what losing at home to West Ham can do to Spurs fans”, really ? I can’t say I’m going to lose any sleep. We play United Saturday then Madrid the following Wednesday, those are the games I’m thinking about. To me Spurs and West Ham is a bit like England and Scotland where the Scots desperately want to beat the English but the English are much more interested in beating Germany.

  • As disappointing as it was to lose in that manner, we do have much bigger fish to fry in the next few days. Maybe this was on some of the players minds as well? It certainly was on mine..

  • I really don’t care that we lost to the Spammers in particular. I care more about the nature of the defeat, it’s timing and that Poch doesn’t think that certain competitions are worth fielding our strongest team, I care more that he seems to think that destroying Liverpool and earning a draw against Real Madrid would sap the energy from our players when champions are motivated by these things.
    I like Poch, he has worked wonders for the club (with Levys help) but I seriously question his ability to lead us to titles if he thinks that beating big teams is more important than beating the little teams, every game should be given equal importance. Aggression is key to any victory, we take our foot off time and time again against these smaller clubs and Poch evidently expects them to let us cruise to victory…. champions don’t so this.
    Foyth looked like a boy in a man’s world, this was far too early for him and if he is to be Alderwierelds replacement I fear for our league form.
    I think I’m angrier about this than I realised.

  • Foyth did ok in the first half, he won quite a few headers. In the 2nd half we started too slowly and fair play to them for going at us. Crap goal keeping for the first and Foyth in poor position for 2nd. All confidence went then and you could only see one winner.
    If we had applied ourselves like 1st half we would have seen the game out easily and we’d all be happy with some of the big hitters getting a rest before Utd and Madrid.

  • Martyn James -So you don’t believe in sports science, don’t believe in global warming either ? The last two premier league titles were won by teams not playing in Europe, that should tell you something. Proper rest and recovery will beat aggression over the course of a season as hard as ours every time.

  • We took our eye off the game that’s all. Yes I’m disappointed but I think this is a valuable lesson and I’m glad it happened in the league cup rather than the prem or CL. Players will learn from this, never take a lead for granted and kill off games. Some of the abuse at players on twitter etc is just laughable. It was a mistake, let’s learn from it and move on.

  • I agree that it is part of the learning curve for our younger players. It was a lesson that was well timed as they will all be more than usually motivated against United.

  • hudderspur, the issue I have is as per yours “never take a lead for granted and kill off games”… How many times have we said it could become a cricket score and then drop down a couple of gears. There’s a reason why City have a massive goal difference. They just keep going. Goals give every one confidence….Barca and RM are the same….and to an extent our local neighbours for that matter. Yes, a lesson learnt, but learning it against the Pikeys?…not for the 1st time either. Let’s see how well prepared we turn up on Saturday. COYS!

  • Redknapp, AVB and now Poch all seemed to think that the EFL Cup was a nuisance. I can see why they thought like that, and in Poch’s case he’s doing what Danny Blanchflower (it wasn’t Bill Nich) said so eloquently; ‘It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.’ But I can’t pretend that letting clubs like the Spam off the hook when we should have humiliated them is a huge weakness in our psyche and our mental approach to games like these. I cannot emphasis enough how losses like this pain me, not only do you feel that the trip to Wembley was a waste of time, but I can’t help put feel that somewhere in the core of Spurs is still a little bit of ‘Spursey’ – that ability to shoot ourselves in both feet just when everything looks so positive….

  • CS … I agree that our GD would be far higher if we stopped cruising from winning positions. It also ensures we don’t lose the initiative and end up like yesterday.

  • Critical Spur – exactly what I was pointing out in another post. There is still a lack of ruthlessness, when the opposition are poor and you can score you get the job done, you go for goals and make it a cricket score, not drop down a gear or so. So many games I have seen us 2 or 3 goals up at half time and 2nd half nothing. Whereas winners go for the jugular, have no mercy, they keep going.

    For those saying they are not that bothered, well shame on you. Personally losing to WH is awful it’s a Derby, but also this idea of concentrating on the PL, get real, this loss imo means we are likely to have a trophyless season again. I seriously cannot see us win the CL or PL this season, so that leaves us FA cup and that is harder to win imo because its valued more than the CC.

    I am not one of those fans that think silverware is the be all end all, I have said before we are progressing and silverware will come, but after last night I am not convinced we are there yet, I still think there is a deep rooted ‘spursy’ thing, lack of winning mentality, lack of professionalism and lack of a leader on the pitch.

    I still say and am upset about out first half performance, people go on about how we were in control, yes we were in regards of the football, but we were not mentally, I could see the body language, arrogance, and what happens with this ‘pride before the fall’ is what happens. They needed to be professional, and have a winning mentaity in that first half and if they had moved the ball proper and stopped showing off they would have got 6 goals against a poor WH side and then the game would probably been over, but even then a winning mentality wouldn’t go down a notch, they would have cntinued in the second half and bagged another couple. That’s a winningmentality. I seriously hope Poch has seen this and the players and they rectify it soon – it was ugly, I don’t like disrespect or arrogance especially when you have won nothing

  • It’sMe, I picked up on your comment about ruthlessness (lack of) in the last night’s aftermath and I agree with you. I can understand conserving energy at times, but to lose control?……and v them ******ers?! Anyway, it is not quite water off the duck’s proverbial…but am slowly moving towards the next helping on Saturday and trying my best to pretend it was a bad dream!

    Can I just re-iterate, I was livid that Llorente was given ZERO service for his 2nd FULL appearance……where were those crosses. As guyver pointed out, taking off BOTH our strikers at the end …and lo be hold, crosses suddenly materialised!

  • CS … I’m sure it was just a mystical game plan to confuse the opposition … Oh, and the supporters, pundits, media, and Spurs players. It worked a treat!

  • Guys, why I think about it – finding the winner of the post/poster of the month is tougher than I thought! There is some real quality here – can you ALL help me? If you can please ‘like’ a post of you do think it’s worthy of it, as I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that it’s a way that you can partake in finding the winner and also for me to compile my short list – I know it’s not a huge prize this month, but in future months they may well be better more expensive ones and I’m keen to capture your thoughts/views as much as I can before sending out the prize(s). `many thanks. ‘Ex

  • Spurs should always play to win and we need a trophy, but if you are going to lose then this game wasn’t a bad one with the exception of it being West Ham. The quarter final is just before Christmas (we play Burnley, Southampton & West Ham in a week)
    The positives are that we gave Rose a few minutes, Lorente & Foyth got a start and Sissoko scored and played well.
    Top 4 is still our priority going into the new stadium and winning the Carabao Cup will only be a drain on the team/management unfortunately.

  • It’sME, Buddy, don’t lose hope about a trophy this season. With your personal health issues, I am sure hope and fight is what keeps you going. Your posts show huge passion and long may it continue. I am sure Poch will be firing up that rocket up their ****.

    I just read the article (extract from the book) on Skysports about how Poch felt and dealt with the 5-1 loss to Newcastle. The man DOES care….. and I fully expect a positive reaction.

  • Far too casual and cocky. Dele strolling around like a peacock. Llorente touched the ball three times(one nice flick but totally ineffective). Yes, he needs crosses but whats happened to his feet?Nkoudou touched the ball twice… kicked it out once and then fell over a few minutes later…he looks completely out of his depth.Has done nothing since signing. Surely we have some youngsters who could play up front and put in a shift. Kane might be out for Man U …we have no one else to play his role. Can we park the bus (not our style) and sneak a 0-0? Yes, the EFL is a nuisance but fans pay good money to see us play not show off and then fall over. Very depressing and embarrassing.

  • legend23, I’d have no qualms if we had approached last night’s game with indifference from the OFF…and may be lost 1-0 treating it as a training/fitness exercise, giving ALL the kids a go. We started with half the senior team, we took a 2-0 lead…. For that reason, it becomes hard to swallow….

  • One thing I’m not getting from some folks (over) reaction to this one loss is the complaint of us not being able of putting games to bed by going all out to score more goals etc. In the past 2 seasons Spurs have been the highest and the 2nd highest (by just 2 goals) PL goal scorers. It’s a fallacy that we don’t score enough goals. How many did we score in our final matches last season? The last 2 were 6-1 and 7-1 away wins to THFC. (preceded by a home win against Man U, by the by). Even so, we can’t expect this every time we play a so called lesser team. This of course doesn’t take away from the fact that we were rubbish last night. We were. But goal-scoring and seeing out games from a winning position has, overwhelmingly, not been a real problem for us. And neither has our general attitude and fighting/winning mentality. This really is a rarity with this Pochettino team. So, let’s not be bad losers. Let’s not be “arrogant” in our support.

  • We lost when it should have been 3 or 4 to us in 1st half… This show a lack of a wining mental attitude in players, and arrogance and complacency. Too many were guilty of this. The young boy Foyth was nervous at Start, settled a bit but needs a lot more PL experience, perhaps a short loan ?. Carroll is difficult to handle so he was in the deep end….Also he was on right CD side of the back line. This is where all west ham goals came from Right side, corners / cross. Toby is normally there with Trippier / Sanchez /a DMF available. Vorm messed up holding the ball 1st goal, and we fell behind in effort and passion. This display is NOT Acceptable, Fans around me were not happy witnessing this 2nd half, as i hope poch and Levy was as well.

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