With Tottenham Hotspur securing seventh place in the Premier League table for 2020/21 with our final day victory over Leicester City, we of course pipped rivals Arsenal by a point which was a good reason to smile.
There’s no denying though that this is now a huge summer for the club, we have the ongoing managerial search, there will be the distraction of the European Championships and then, not only will fans be focusing heavily on how we choose to strengthen the group, a big topic of talk this summer will be whether or not Harry Kane finally moves on.
If Kane does leave, he surely goes with the best wishes of most, but a move abroad would be more palatable for fans who wouldn’t want to see him lining up against us. A departure would significantly boost our transfer kitty, but it would also be another major headache to solve – not just in terms of finding a quality replacement, but it might see others address their own futures, so the calibre of our incomings would also need to send a message that minus Kane, we are still looking to break that ceiling.
Let silly season begin…
TQ2Spurs – Sorry, should have remembered that League Cup win over Chelsea as I was actually there. But it does make the point, the only thing we have won in twenty years is a League Cup. Since then Chelsea have won the Champions League twice, it all feels like clutching at straws.
jod…..it was interesting watching the pre-amble leading up to the CL final last night, they came out with some interesting statistics which reported that Chelsea had gone a period of I think 27 years without winning anything and City had an even longer period of 35 years without a title or trophy so it does happen.
TQ… Not forgetting that both clubs have been relegated in those times before their wealthy owners rocked up.
Chelsea in the late 80’s were relegated
City were relegated down to the 3rd tier in ’98.
Spurs were last relegated in 77.
Ironically that relegation happened of course in Burkinshaw’s 1st season as Spurs manager.
Burkinshaw is of course our second most successful trophy winning manager, after Nicholson.
How times have changed in top flight football since the 70’s! Burkinshaw would be sacked these days after such a poor 1st season…
HT, leciecter won the league and FA cup. With much less resources then spurs, never mind oil money club. Something similar a championship team finishing in the top half of the PL.
But 123 you made a reference to Joe lewis and his billions… The Leicester City owner has approximately the same level of billionaire wealth as Lewis does… Give or tale a few hundred thousand here or there!
The Foxes have also been a bit dodgy with the finances of their club in recent years, as well as Man City and Chelsea.
Even so, that is just 1 PL winner that is not Chelsea or MC or MU or Arsenal or Pool, that hasn’t had much, much more to spend than Spurs have over the PL years. Even the only other two clubs that have won the PL, Blackburn and Leeds, were both very wealthy clubs at the time……..
We all know that money is the key here…
The Leicester owners actually bother to come to a game once in a while.
123….I will grant you that Leicester have been an exception to the PL story of recent years and are an example worth following in terms of their scouting and recruitment of players particularly. It should be remembered though that they built their new stadium some years ago so they’ve had the benefit of that for some years now, they also have passionate owners who aren’t oligarchs or middle east royalty but still have substantial wealth from their Asian businesses.
I think Leicesters success has in the main been down to their recruitment and smart managerial appointments rather than the wealth of their owners which has played a lesser part. I’ve been banging on about the need to improve our scouting and recruitment for years.
My two penneth on the debate of dosh/cash/money.
HT, said it is about the dough they have and spent, its so obviously true, how some cannot see that is unbelievable.
MC…Owner and sponsor owner, Mansour worth about £36billiion, richer than some countries.
Chavs…Owner Russian gangster, worth about £19billion.
Spurs…Owner Joe Lewis, worth about £3.5billion, he is an asset billionaire
Note JL’s worth is less than 10% of MC’s owner’s worth and less than 20% of Chavs owners worth, that in itself makes a hell of a lot of difference.
MC’s/Chavs owners, each both spent approximately £1billion on player’s, that is approx 33% of our owners worth.
MC’s spend = 2.78% of owners worth……JL to spend 2.78% of worth = £97,300
Chavs spend = approx 5% of owners worth……JL to spend 5% of worth = £175,000
So for me JL putting his hand in his pocket if he could/would will not make a lot of difference, plus breaking the FFP rules.
I stand to be corrected on my maths, then fair play, but that is how I see things.
Some say the Foxes blah! blah! but they did break all the FFP rules, that is what we do not do!
I have put it as simply as I can, and again I will stand corrected if I am wrong. COYS
PY… Thank you for doing the maths. If that doesn’t make it all clear, I don’t know what does.
Just to add., the Abramovich estimated 1.3 billion input into Chelseas buying power over the years, has been in the form of an interest free loan. In other words, this is a 1.3 billion debt that Chelsea have. It wasn’t a charitable gesture. Money laundering, I think some may call it. 😉
Sorry, Leeds haven’t of course won the PL. They won the 1st division title the year before the very first PL season.
Hi all regarding the financial topic on discussion. It is without doubt that if u spend big you win trophies. But I still feel u have to be an excellent coach and man manager to have success. Frank had 240 million spent on new players and not a cheap squad before he spent and if he’d stayed we probably wouldn’t be having this convo. Also chest to arm handball in CL final last night it could only happen to us .
HT, I had forgot about the “no interest loan” by the gangster, money laundering sounds good lol!
To add, MC’s owners owns their sponsor, Emirates, so a way of putting any amount of dosh in that beats or gets round the FFP rule.
Football is not all about winning silverware (a concept BS and others struggles with).
Another definition of ‘winning football’ could be …… the amount of new fans attracted to a club, the sponsors attracted to a club, and the degree to which a club’s profile is raised globally.
During the MP era Spurs won zilch silverware.
But, during the MP era Spurs won countless fans from across the planet, were lauded for their style of football, and recognised by everyone to do with football as being one of the top clubs in Europe.
Strangely (to some it seems) a person does not say ‘Oh, QPR just won a cup, I think I’ll support them because …. I like cups.’ How clever are they?
Surprisingly (to some it seems) a person actually watches football games and becomes attracted to a particular club’s style of football. At that point they say, ‘This is the club I want to support,’ without even a thought about silverware. How stupid are they?
I realise this will remain a difficult concept for some to grasp and they will no doubt soon appear and flounder around for some kind of depressing spin with which to decorate it.
I’ll have one last try to make the concept simple …. understandable!
Winning football is not solely defined by winning silverware! There ya go, lads!
Unfortunately, at the moment, we are not winning anything.
Unfortunately, your maths is not quite right PY. You seem to have mixed up your millions and billions. 2.78% and 5% of JL’s billions is £97.3 Million and £175 Million respectively. Nowhere near the amounts of the other two billionaires but significant enough to make a difference at Spurs I would have thought.
Ekkaboy, after I had wrote my post I realised I had missed a no of 0’s lol! but forgot to put my figures right, but surely you get my drift as HT did, over 10 years £97.3m = £9.73 or £175m = £17.5m per year, so I still do not see where a significant difference would/could be made.
Mansour = £36billion so £1billion over a nos of years is pocket change, that’s all I am saying.
Cheers mate.
I’m pretty sure that that is what PY meant… Even if he wrote it incorrectly…
But whatever the sums, JL’s worth has nothing to do with THFC’s spending power, right now.
You play a football match, and you either win, lose or draw it. By winning football, I just mean winning matches. And winning more matches than drawing and losing them is always preferable… 😉
If you lose a final or come second, third, fourth, (fifth, 6th or 7th even) in the PL. then you have probably won more of your matches than you have lost… This means you haven’t lost most of your matches… AND… Winning is not losing! Losing is not winning! Drawing IS drawing! Simple concept!
And, a team playing boring, negative football is usually a team that loses more than it wins. Not always but mostly, this is so. And teams that win stuff on a regular basis, do tend to mostly play positive and attractive football. Do they not? Or am I dreaming?
After so many years of watching and playing football, I have seen this….. For real! Haha! ……………
Geof, there are many fans the world over that have and do support teams because of trophies won… They call them glory chasers!
Anyway, to me, watching a team play boring and negative football, (winning or losing) is simply not my preference. This is not weird or strange or wrong or idiotic, foolish or ???
I don’t false myself to try and enjoy music or movies that bore me or simply just don’t float my boat. And no one can justify them to me by telling me that they made it to number 1 in the charts or topped the box office in revenues….
Football and being an ardent supporter of just one club, is not quite the same as watching movies etc., But being bored and depressed is no different, whatever the source of entertainment. And this season, I was far too often bored and depressed when watching Spurs.
Thanks an effin’ lot (NOT) Jose!
Morning folks,
Ooops we were playing” losing” football that’s how we stayed in and around the top 4 for (what) 7 years, with a good chance at winning it on 2 occasions, a CL final in reality lost by a dodgy pen, a cup final this year by losing football.
Some us (and I have been guilty) have been using Leicester as a template for success, to a degree this may be right, but yet again this season they were right up there with pens awarded.
In two matches they scored 4 goals against us 3 were Pens. I think they’ve been give 13 or 14 this, season. Last time they were given more than that, they won the league.
They’re Man U” Lite” diving at every occasion, I have watched em play on a few occasions now, and bar the FA Cup, they have failed to impress me. Given also that they have, slipped up to make top 3 over 2 seasons, is Rodgers really all that?
When I review our season, I know we were a terrible watch at times, however a DODGEY pen against Newcastle, Arse, and Chelsea, own goals against Wham, Villa, and a near OG at Leeds, are what have cost us this season.
I know we should’ve Beaten Palace aroun Christmas, but for their keeper.
Even in April we could’ve made top 3, with one of our worst seasons behind us.
We were playing some decent stuff toward the seasons’end, so may not be as far off as many of us think.
HT … Yes, I’ve often wondered how strange it is that a team that wins far more games than it loses can be seen as losers. This must be extremely confusing for the teams who lose far more games than they win!
It also seems strange that a team that wins a cup by playing crap football is lauded so much more in the media than a team that loses a final despite playing more attractive football. Does the media really think that winning at all costs, or any way you can, is what football is all about.
The blame for such views, imo, obviously belongs to the media which always benefits from making contentious statements and stirring up emotions.
Geof…I think the CL final answered your question, some believe the aim is to win even if it means committing GBH on your opponents!
It was a rhetorical question, TQ.